[Gardeners] GUI fun (was: Re: CLISP in one EXE file...)

[Robert Strandh]

C Y writes:
 > I think if Garnet and McCLIM are fleshed out to full potential Lisp
 > graphics will be in a position to dazzle the free software world, but
 > the effort required to make this happen at its "proper" level is not to
 > be underestimated.  In my estimation it's probably beyond a Gardner
 > project, at least at this stage.

McCLIM, while neither complete nor bug-free, is very stable and very
usable.  I would go as far as to say that nothing needs to be done to
it in order for it to be useful for most applications and for a Lisp
IDE.  A backend for Windows is needed, however.

While writing such a backend might be beyond a gardener project,
more mundane aspects of McCLIM such as making it look better would be
entirely possible. 

 > I think eventually this would be the ideal situation:
 > 
 > User level toolkits:    McCLIM     Garnet
 >  
 > Graphics system communication:   CLX     cl-gdi    cl-carbon
 > 
 > Underlying lisp:  All major free lisps, and commercial ones if
 > interested.

Sounds good. 
-- 
Robert Strandh

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