[Gardeners] CLisp GUI application creation "hand holding"

[Joe Manby]

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sampo Vuori" <sampo.vuori at gmail.com>
To: "Tending the Lisp Garden" <gardeners at lispniks.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 11:46 AM
Subject: Re: [Gardeners] CLisp GUI application creation "hand holding"


>> I don't understand why everyone is so excited about videos. It's nice as 
>> a
>> prove that it works at all, but you can't copy and paste text from videos
>> and it's boring to watch how one character after the other appears on the
>> screen :-)
> Well, for experienced people yes. For beginners there's so much other
> stuff going on besides the actual commands and if someone completes
> these steps on a video one cannot forget to tell for example in what
> state repl should be, in which window you type stuff etc. Also, for
> newbies (like me) it's always educating to see how an seasoned lisper
> simply uses the environment.


I second this concern.  I'm relatively new to Lisp, I lurk, and I, too, 
struggled with the Lisp development environment.  The editor I use is 
Emacs-like.  With some investment in time, it is extremely useable and 
convenient.  That does not help people get past the initial lack of 
familiarity or adapt to a new thinking process.

Videos may help people get started and keep us from losing fruitful 
programmers to more 'conventional' development cycles in other languages. 
We could cull a lot of helpful beginner advice from CLL, also.  As I recall, 
some of the responses to the EMACS flames were very helpful.

>
> - Sampo
>
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