[CLD] PCL submission to CL Directory

[Marc Battyani]

"Peter Seibel" <peter at gigamonkeys.com> wrote:

> [might as well use this mailing list]

Yes.

> Yeah, but even the permanent URLs look like line-noise. And I when
> I'm just browsing a site, I want to be able to cut-n-paste the URL
> out of my browser and email it to someone, not have to go searching
> the page for a safe-to-email permanent URL.

Well I can switch to a cookie based session tracking so that the URL will be safe. Though
people will have to accept cookies to be able to login.

> > BTW tell me why this is less acceptable than a java encoded URL
> > like this:
> > cgi-bin/bv/home/Home.jsp?
> > BV_SessionID=@@@@0941546823.1136493133@@@@&BV_EngineID=ccccaddgil
> > mkggfcefeceefdffhdgli.
> > 0&cacheID=f1netscape&3313945937=3313945937&BV_SessionID=@@@@09415468
> > 23.1136493133@@@@&BV_EngineID=ccccaddgilmkggfcefeceefdffhdgli.0
>
> It's not. It's just as unacceptable. I can live with urls like that
> when they're on a commerce web site because I *expect* that my
> interactions with the site are unique to me. But when I'm looking at
> a informational website, I expect the information to be organized by
> a human being and for the URLs to give me some sense of that
> organization.

But the interactions are unique! I will soon add filters and preferences for instance.
Anyway I can use URL like resource/by topic/text/regexp/cl-ppcre though these URL will
break when the tags tree is reorganized. Not to mention the fact that you have to choose
one of the possible paths so you can end up with every thing put in /dev/libraries

> > If people prefer that I can do it too ;-)
> >
> >>> Would you like me to merge the information?  Or do you prefer me to
> >>> remove the above one and add yours?
> >>
> >> No, the entry that is there is fine. I couldn't see any easy way to
> >> tell if my link was already in the directory so I figured I'd just
> >> submit it. Which is probably a commentary on how easy it is to find
> >> something at the moment.
> >
> > You should have looked at information => learning
> > or Resources => By Support => Books
> > or whatever other tags there are attached to PCL.
>
> Well, I clicked on something that in retrospect took me to  a list of
> books. But I didn't even realize that the first item in that list
> "Basic Lisp Techniques" was the name of a book rather than a
> category. And I didn't actually read the big block of text containing
> the other titles in order to find Practical Common Lisp which was, I
> see now, burried there somewhere. Some of this has to do with
> organization and some of it has to do with text styles and so forth.

Yes. Text styles (and all the styles) can be improved. I'm a lisper not a graphical artist
;-)
There are 2 lists format: condensed and normal.
-Normal is what you get when you click on the "View all foo..." links.
-Condensed is limited to the 20 first items by alphabetical order and only the name is
displayed.

Anyway when you are at the root level you will have several hunded items and finding
something will be hard anyway it you don't go to more specific tags.

I will add filters soon but this will not change the problem completely.

> > You can see the whole tag tree on the "Tags map" page.
>
> Yeah, I found that. It didn't do much for me.
>
> > I will add an help page to explain how to use it.
>
> That's fine but I think it needs to be reasonably obvious how to use
> it without having to read a manual--most people aren't going to care
> that much.

Hey... it's obvious for me but I'm open to propositions... ;-)

> -Peter
>
> P.S. I hope you accept these grumblings in the sprit which they are
> intended--trying to find ways to make the CLD a more useful resource
> for Lispers. I'm not trying to beat you up for the fun of it.

Sure. I much prefer open discussions, even harsh ones, rather than hidden or blogged
grumbling which is just sterile noise.

Marc